Rule Revisions & Additions

[LTN Games]

Amy and I have been talking about adding & revising rules. As of right now our rules for both resources & forum are good but not quite detailed enough. For example, Amy recently dealt with a situation where someone wanted to post some default MV resources, where the only thing changed was the contrast, in many communities this is frowned upon because anyone can do it and it's not actually considered an edit. An edit would be actual pixel work, with whatever graphic editor you use, changing the contrast/filter/brightness is not considered pixel work.

I recently became aware of a member who has deleted an old post just to bump their topic up, now the problem that occurred to me was our rules only suggest Bumping a thread is against the rules, it does not have detailed information of how long before you can bump a topic. In some communities it's 24hours and others it's 48 hours, I believe we should specify this so members don't get confused.

I have more suggestions as well and I plan on going over all the main forum rules and adding details where required, so give me a few hours and I'll be back with a set of revised rules, and Amy said she will be around later on with her ideas and or revisions to the resource rules.

So this post is to get an idea of what the rest of the staff thinks of the way our current rules present themselves, do you believe there is enough detail, maybe some rules are okay but others aren't that clear. Either way, let us know what you think about our current rules and give us suggestions so that members will have a clear understanding of what to do and what not to do.

 

[Macro]

Could add a delete timer to a post too, 72 hours or so. That way if they want to bump like that they'd have to wait. 3 days seems like a fair wait to me, seems to be a standard in most forums as well.

As for posting default resources with simple easy-to-change hue/sat/lum/color edits I don't think they should be allowed, but that's me. That's not work at all in my opinion, that's just simple number changes. Anyone could do such a thing with zero effort.

 

[MinisterJay]

Amy and I have been talking about adding & revising rules. As of right now our rules for both resources & forum are good but not quite detailed enough. For example, Amy recently dealt with a situation where someone wanted to post some default MV resources, where the only thing changed was the contrast, in many communities this is frowned upon because anyone can do it and it's not actually considered an edit. An edit would be actual pixel work, with whatever graphic editor you use, changing the contrast/filter/brightness is not considered pixel work..

Just because anyone can do it, does not mean they know how to do it? If everyone knew how to do it, they would be no need to offer the resources. Next step, editing does not count color modification of RTP? We would then have a lot of resources to go an delete then. If a resource is not wanted, it will die away, and get no downloads. We are here to provide services for those that may know how to do this. It does not need to be defined as pixel work to be used as a resource.

This is frowned upon, in other communities. Many of us are here to get away from the enslavement mentality of those other forums. One other community is owned by the game engine company. Of course they do not want you to do any editing of the RTP; it is in their best interest.

 

[Zebestian]

@MinisterJay I wouldn't count on the "natural selection" when it comes to resources. The idea behind this rule is to not get flooded with simple edits that were made in five minutes time. Simple contrast changes or black/white edits are easy enough to make for everyone who knows how to use an image editing program - and those are not that complicated for that. And even if someone doesn't know how to do it, they can still ask for help. The resource section is there to provide custom resources for people to use in their projects and we want to maintain a certain level of quality and customization.

 

[MinisterJay]

I prefer rules that are objective and not subjective. Now we are going to want only certain images, certain resources, at a certain levels of quality and customization. Hogwash! Looks like a bunch of 'fun suckers' and 'the suckers of fun'. I thought the goal of this forum was it to be funnest forum for members. Let subjectivsm infiltrate, and the fun gets sucked.

Here come the rules...I think our administration has made all the rules that we need at this time.

 

[Zebestian]

I prefer rules that are objective and not subjective. Now we are going to want only certain images, certain resources, at a certain levels of quality and customization.

You misunderstand the point of this. We're only ruling out simple edits of RTP or resources made with the generator since there's no real benefit to the community if the resource section is flooded by those. We're not introducing a QA that judges each resource and decides if it's "worth" being featured on this site. People will still be able to post anything they like - just no simple edits that can be made within five minutes.

 

[MinisterJay]

@MinisterJay The resource section is there to provide custom resources for people to use in their projects and we want to maintain a certain level of quality and customization.

So you are retracting this part, the part I was concerned about, the certain level of quality part.

 

[LTN Games]

Yea simple edits can become a bothersome, I would much rather see a tutorial on how to do such simple edits than to see a resource database getting flooded of simple edits. It will be much easier to manage for the staff, why wait for the resource to be up for a month or more with little to no downloads and then delete it when we can just prevent it from the beginning. This simple edit rule does not have to do with quality but with quantity, either way I don't believe many people will have problems with this new rule and we can ask the community what they think of it.

 

[Zebestian]

So you are retracting this part, the part I was concerned about, the certain level of quality part.

As I said, you misunderstood. By "certain level of quality" I did not mean going around blindly deleting "bad" resources for no reason. I am just of the opinion that mere RTP edits and generator-made resources, be they good looking, are not to be considered "high quality" resources. There was practically no amount of work that went into making those and thus they are not justified being uploaded to the resource section.

 

[Amysaurus]

Ahhh, thanks for posting this LTN! *dinohugs* It's just like you said - we're on the right track, but we need a little more clarity for everyone! I'll get my suggestions up in a bit.

Just because anyone can do it, does not mean they know how to do it? If everyone knew how to do it, they would be no need to offer the resources. Next step, editing does not count color modification of RTP?

I totally understand this, and it's the exact situation I had this morning. Basically, here's the thing: The more very simple edits of the default materials we have, the closer we are to just posting the default material. If the edits are too simple, we may end up with people who don't buy the engine, then work from the materials we post to make their own resources.

Worst case scenario: Someone tries selling resources made for an engine they didn't pay for.

@MinisterJay I wouldn't count on the "natural selection" when it comes to resources. The idea behind this rule is to not get flooded with simple edits that were made in five minutes time. Simple contrast changes or black/white edits are easy enough to make for everyone who knows how to use an image editing program - and those are not that complicated for that. And even if someone doesn't know how to do it, they can still ask for help. The resource section is there to provide custom resources for people to use in their projects and we want to maintain a certain level of quality and customization.

Exactly. The more simple edits we have, the more people have to look through, and the less satisfied they'll be. Rather than a hundred entries of someone tweaking the opacity, hue, contrast, etc. to fit whatever they happen to want, a guide would be great, if anyone wants to make something like that.
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As for the quality thing, no, we're not going to have someone in the shadows giving the thumbs up or down on anyone's resources. If something is low quality, the ratings will show it, and ideally we'll be there to give the user some pointers.

What I consider worth saying no to is basically:
- Photoshop tweaks: Tweaks to Hue, Saturation, etc.
- Generated resources: Anyone could make the exact same thing.
- Minimal edits, i.e. I shifted this up a pixel, I rearranged this character sheet.
- Any sort of DLC resource edit, especially if it falls under any of the above.

 

[MinisterJay]

If the RTP edit rule is approved, what I have decided to, and this will take a little time, is get the complete set of the RETRO B&W, and store them on Mediafire, once the rule is posted, and request the threads to be deleted. I may do a RETRO Game Style tutorial to help others learn this simple yet very time consuming technique. While we are discussing different things we may have different opinions, but when the decision is made, I will back it 100% and make as many things that I have posted become compliant.

@Amysaurus You struck my sweet loving compliance heart with that part about it being too close to original RTP. Thanks :)

 

[sage]

I recently became aware of a member who has deleted an old post just to bump their topic up, now the problem that occurred to me was our rules only suggest Bumping a thread is against the rules, it does not have detailed information of how long before you can bump a topic. In some communities it's 24hours and others it's 48 hours, I believe we should specify this so members don't get confused.

The original intention of this rule was to prevent the bumping of outdated and/or irrelevant topics.

 

[Amysaurus]

Okay, now the.... "fun" part. I rewrote all the forum rules to add a bit of clarity, and combined a few that could be easily mashed together. Feel free to tweak/suggest any changes!

Spoiler: Forum Rules

1. No spamming.
This includes:
- Double-posting before 72 hours have passed. If you feel you aren’t getting enough attention, try waiting a while and updating with new content.
- Necroposting, or posting on old threads that can no longer provide any valuable discussion.
- Sending PMs in order to advertise.
- Posting short responses (1-2 words) that do not add to the discussion.
- Posting in a non-English language.

2. Be respectful of your fellow members.
- Insulting, flaming, mocking, or otherwise harassing other members will not be tolerated here.
- If you disagree with someone, try to keep it civilized and respect everyone else. If the disagreement starts getting heated, move it to a PM.

3. Keep advertising to a minimum.
- Do not advertise other communities or websites unless it’s relevant to the discussion in question. Otherwise it will be considered spam.

Exceptions include:
- Youtube videos and informative articles.
- Your own production websites.
- Steam and other gaming profiles.
- Links to your creations in the Resource/Game sections.​

- If you are unsure of whether you should post something, feel free to ask either @Xyphien or myself.

4. Do not post or discuss ways to get any games or materials illegally.
- This includes requesting, discussing, or posting links/tutorials to find torrents, rips, keygens, cracks, or anything of that nature. You will get banned for it.

5. Stay on topic, and don’t take over another user’s thread.
This includes:
- Asking for materials in another user’s request thread.
- Going off on an unrelated tangent in a thread.
- If you find your thread running off topic, consider starting a new thread regarding the derailing topic.

6. Keep adult content to a minimum.
- Give proper warning when posting any potentially NSFW material.
- Swearing isn’t prohibited, but please refrain from doing so excessively.
- Avoid posting any sort of nudity.

7. Keep your forum signature under 300 pixels high.
- If any of your images are links are too long, you can hide them in spoilers.

8. Do not deliberately post any offensive or controversial material.
This includes:
- Making controversial posts or topics, such as those regarding politics, religion, unless the discussion involves game design.
- Posting anything you feel can cause hurt feelings or offend others, etc.

9. Do not steal or plagiarize any creator's work.
- Do not post or upload another person’s work without their permission.
- Do not claim another person's work as your own.
- Do not link to any illegal copies of anyone's work. (see rule #4)

10. Keep status updates and profile posts clean.
This includes:
- Making your posts no longer than 5 lines long.
- Not posting excessively - if your name appears more than twice in the status update area, that’s too much!

11. Do not take staff matters into your own hands.
This includes:
- Trying to warn about or call out a member’s actions without reporting the thread.
- Using “mod voice” (bright/colored text) to state rules or suggestions.
- Trying to create an “official” forum event without permission.

12. If you have any problems with a staff member, follow the chain of command:
- If you have a complaint about an RT member, contact their RT leader.
- If you have a complaint about an RT leader, Support Staff, etc. contact a moderator.
- If you have a complaint about a moderator, contact an admin.

If you see anyone breaking the rules, please notify an admin or moderator by either tagging us in the thread, reporting the post, or sending a PM.

Spoiler: Resource Rules

1. Make sure to give any resource you upload the correct tags, title, and prefix, etc.
- Resource icons are not required, but are encouraged.

2. Make sure and post all resources in the correct sections.
- All non-MV resources go in the Non MV section, etc.

3. Make sure and give any resource you upload a complete and accurate description.

- For Resources:
- A brief description, including your terms of use.
- At least one screenshot (unless it's an audio resource, etc.)
- Any extras: additional images, additional download links, etc.​

- For Games/Demos:
- A brief description/synopsis.
- Your list of credits.
- At least one screenshot.
- Any extras: character bios, additional download links, etc.​

4. All paid resource uploads must be approved by @Xyphien beforehand. Anyone found selling resources without approval will have their resource permissions revoked.

5. Do NOT post ripped resources here. They will be deleted.

6. If you want to update a resource, use the Post Update Resource option. Do not post an update as a new resource.

7. Do not steal or plagiarize any creator's work.
- Do not post or upload another person’s work without their permission.
- Do not claim another person's work as your own.

 

[MinisterJay]

On Forum Rule 6 part 3, are we going to enforce letter of the law, or allow images similar to XP male and female?

In Resource Rules, do we want to address not allowing original RTP edits, of any version, of any sort (coloring, color removal, etc.), including character generators?

 

[Xyphien]

If a resource is not wanted, it will die away, and get no downloads. We are here to provide services for those that may know how to do this. It does not need to be defined as pixel work to be used as a resource.

I completely agree with this. We should host resources for everything, colors make up at least 60% of an image I can only assume. The outline is only but so much, so it passes the %60 rule in my eyes. I feel that we should allow all resources no matter how they look, or simply recolors as some people may not know how to do it, or simply to lazy to do so. As stated, we're here to provide resources for the whole entirety of the MV community, and allows color edits should be one of them.

That's not work at all in my opinion, that's just simple number changes.

It shouldn't be about how much work you put into it, it should be about if it benefits the community, and I personally see how it can benefit members. We have younger audiences as well as older, some may not know how to edit things, or all they have is paint to use. Stuff like this, is why we should allow these things.

In some communities it's 24hours and others it's 48 hours, I believe we should specify this so members don't get confused.

48 hours seems fair. Also, adding stating you can't just re-upload a post is fine, as well as PMing said member and telling him/her that they are not allowed to do that is fine. Adding another rule to rules as "Exploiting loopholes, and going around the rules/dancing on the grey lines are not allowed" This will allow the rules to be more open. This way, the member who did this can be warned without any back lash.

RTP or resources made with the generator

I also think edits in the resources should be allowed as well. My vision for the resources is similar to how PlanetMinecraft (idk if it's still a thing anymore) was. They had editors for that, etc. and people would still upload them, and people would love them. People may not be as creative as others, and making stuff in the generator believe it or not still requires creativity. Maybe not as much as custom made resources, but to others who have found a generated resource they like, it's all they care about. This should not be changed at all.

My whole thing with this site is to allow as much freedom as possible for the members, and not to bombard them with rules, and restrict them from sharing what THEY feel they did. To them, a simple color edit, or generator creation is hard work. They should be allowed to upload what they want, and if the community frowns on it, they will frown on the individual who posted it, whilst the select few people who downloaded it will thank them.

The resource section is there to provide custom resources for people to use in their projects and we want to maintain a certain level of quality and customization.

The resource section is there to provide resources made for MV. Also, the definition of custom according to google "made or done to order; custom-made" If you make something in the generator, or re-color something is it not made or done to order? It's made for the people to download. Now, I understand about recolors on other member created content, that should be a rule to have them request permission to use/upload recolors of another persons work. And whatever said user says is up to them. However of the general RTP I see no problem with it. Hell, one of our resources in the Christmas pack was a snow edit. Simply adding white pixels to the RTP. That's all that was done, and everyone greatly enjoyed it. Did it take too much work? Idk, probably not too much. Did it make an impact? I believe so.

made or done to order; custom-made

This is why we have the RT Members. To ensure that the members still get quality, and custom made work.

why wait for the resource to be up for a month or more with little to no downloads and then delete it when we can just prevent it from the beginning.

I purchased the highest tier of hosting there is for my host, which gives me UNLIMITED bandwidth, and data. Meaning, we won't be deleting resources when they get old, etc. There is no need, as people in four years might still need a specific resource. I've downloaded resources from XP which have been up for like 6 years.

I am just of the opinion that mere RTP edits and generator-made resources

As I stated in an earlier comment, we have a RTP edit in our holiday pack. It added snow to the default RTP. You cannot simply allow one thing, and bat an eye at another. People loved the snow, and people may love a recolor or small edit. I've made several edits using RTP (My signs for example, my VX Ace icons for another example) All edits to the original RTP.

Worst case scenario: Someone tries selling resources made for an engine they didn't pay for.

This can be done technically with anything. Someone can use Panda's resources as a template and change that up now that they know the dimensions and sell it. Simple edits don't really cause that, people who will break the law will break the law. Not trying to sound like I support such things, however it will be done regardless of if someone provides simple edits. Also, if they are found out, they will have to face the punishment, and when it comes to breaking the law, it seems to always get back at you.

Exactly. The more simple edits we have, the more people have to look through, and the less satisfied they'll be.

This is why we have tabs you can click on "Most Downloaded" "Top Rated" etc. This way they don't have to wean through stuff most people don't like, and they can focus on what the majority likes.

The original intention of this rule was to prevent the bumping of outdated and/or irrelevant topics.

A.K.A. Necroposting. Which is what it should technically be used for .

 

[Amysaurus]

@Xyphien: I think you're misunderstanding a bit.

Just because anyone can do it, does not mean they know how to do it? If everyone knew how to do it, they would be no need to offer the resources. Next step, editing does not count color modification of RTP?

I totally understand this, and it's the exact situation I had this morning. Basically, here's the thing: The more very simple edits of the default materials we have, the closer we are to just posting the default material. If the edits are too simple, we may end up with people who don't buy the engine, then work from the materials we post to make their own resources.

Worst case scenario: Someone tries selling resources made for an engine they didn't pay for.

That's the argument for not having simple tonal shifts. Not that it's "not good enough" or anything. MV is the first RPG Maker where you have to actually buy the program to download the resources (for most parts, at least), so that's why I don't want anything too close to the default uploaded. I don't have a problem with frankensprites, or even a genuine recolor - it's when people just use a hue shifter that I draw the line.

As far as generator characters go, they've never been allowed in resource sections anywhere. To be frank, that's a lazy and quick way for someone to quickly up their resource count. It's not custom, because they didn't make the parts. It's the same reason why mapping isn't a part of RT - it's not making something from scratch, it's moving around parts that already exist.

Personally, I want to encourage people to put time and effort into their resources. Clicking a few buttons or sliding a few dials isn't time or effort.

 

[Zebestian]

If you make something in the generator, or re-color something is it not made or done to order? It's made for the people to download. [...]
I've made several edits using RTP (My signs for example, my VX Ace icons for another example) All edits to the original RTP.

And edits are fine as long as it's more than simply changing the contrast, merely making a graphic black and white or fooling around with the character generator. It's those quick, five-minute edits/creations that we don't want to flood the resource section - things that can easily be done yourself regardless of your artistic capabilities. And even still, if people can't do it after all for some reason they can still request assistance. Having tutorials on how to do such things or do them on request would make far more sense, in my opinion.

This is why we have the RT Members. To ensure that the members still get quality, and custom made work.

Surely you don't expect the RT to provide all if not most of the quality, custom-made resources. The purpose of RT is to provide resources regularly, yes, but not be the sole provider for those. If we were to do what's normally an entire community's work, we'd be overwhelmed very quickly. If we allow every tiny edit to be uploaded to the resource section it might discourage some creators to put actual effort into making high-quality resources. It'd be just like with RM games on Steam - so many "bad" ones that the reputation of the resources on the given platform is basically ruined.

Personally, I want to encourage people to put time and effort into their resources. Clicking a few buttons or sliding a few dials isn't time or effort.

This is exactly the thing. @Xyphien, can you imagine how much an upstanding artist would have to suffer under a flood of quick edits? That's the thing about the "bad reputation" I'm talking about. People would judge about the entirety of resources based on what the majority of them is. Doesn't matter if there's a few high-quality custom graphics among them. If 60+% of the available resources are simple five-minute edits, people would quickly be turned away not minding the highest rated stuff. It's about representation and reputation. And a mass of low effort resources can and will take the fun out of resource-making and can and will discourage especially beginner-level artists.

 

[Xyphien]

It's the same reason why mapping isn't a part of RT

RT is held to a higher standard than the average resource maker. That is why there is an application process behind it, you have to prove that you make quality resources to become a RT Member. However, everyone has the ability to be a resource uploader.

Personally, I want to encourage people to put time and effort into their resources. Clicking a few buttons or sliding a few dials isn't time or effort.

I'd love to see better, and higher quality resources, however even the poorest looking ones have 1+ downloads, meaning at least one person has benefited from that resources regardless of it's quality, or how little effort it takes.

As for the generator, as I said, some members may lack the creativity to create a good looking character regardless of a generator or not. It may not be allowed in many sites, however, I don't see why it shouldn't. It's still a creation made by your vision regardless if it's using a program to piece it together for you. You still have to have some vision on it.

A mixture of both: I took the beard on the generator, made it longer, and uploaded it to the resources as a long beard. It was a simple stretch using photoshop and took no more than 20 minutes. I then used the generator to make a sage looking guy. Some people may be looking for a sage type figure, why should they be unable to download a sage looking figure because the person who made it used a generator. You're not taking away from the uploader, but the users trying to download the content.

merely making a graphic black and white

A user want's to make a black and white game, however lacks the funds or resources to use a photo editing software. Now, they cannot because there isn't a black and white version of a template.

things that can easily be done yourself regardless of your artistic capabilities.

Let's say a 15 year old is using their parents computer. They've been asking for RMMV for a while, and they finally bought it for them. They also authorized use of downloads from this site as it has https, however, they refuse to download GIMP or buy Photoshop. Because GIMP has a past of having adware on it, and photoshop is out of their budget. (https is coming soon btw) Now they cannot do things by themselves as they lack the requirements to do it. Paint doesn't have this option as far as I'm aware. Prove me wrong, and I'll be sure to change my argument, however not EVERYONE is as luxurious as us and has programs readily available. A lot of people use someone else's computers, or simple are scared of viruses, etc. and won't download programs.

Surely you don't expect the RT to provide all if not most of the quality, custom-made resources.

There's some amazing resources out right now... Look at the top downloads and top rated resources. They are very well used, and stuff that are absolutely amazing. So, no, I don't expect that, however RT is the place where Quality is something we strive for, not the resources. We shouldn't limit users from being able to choose what they want. We have the data for it, we have the space, etc. there shouldn't be a need to limit guests and members from downloading exactly what they want, and a selection is the best way to find that.

If we allow every tiny edit to be uploaded to the resource section it might discourage some creators to put actual effort into making high-quality resources.

How so? We have a rating system, we have a download system, and soon we will have a featured section (We do, I haven't updated it however). This means that work that isn't the best won't outshine work that is the best. Yes, the resources may be chalked full of small edits, however, the REALLY GOOD work is shown, and highlighted by the system at play. I do not see how it would discourage creators to upload their resources.

Personally, I want to encourage people to put time and effort into their resources. Clicking a few buttons or sliding a few dials isn't time or effort.

This is where the rating system, download system, and the featured system will come into play. It will encourage people to put time, and effort into their resources.

And a mass of low effort resources can and will take the fun out of resource-making and can and will discourage especially beginner-level artists.

How would people uploading bad resources deter from your fun of resource making? Also, I look at it differently, beginner-level artists would most likely enjoy it more, as their work, which most likely wouldn't be the best, would look that much better compared to others.

My vision with this, once again was to have a similar system to this: http://www.planetminecraft.com/resources/skins/?order=order_updated

There are loads and loads of bad, mediocre resources, HOWEVER, if you click on the downloads, ratings, etc. you will find the best things ever. PlanetMinecraft has been up, and functional since the start of minecraft, and is something HUGE and widely known and loved. They do not have much rules on uploading, the only main rule is don't steal other people's work, which we have as a rule. They do not limit the uploaders, or downloaders, and it is proven to be effective.

 

[Zebestian]

As for the generator, as I said, some members may lack the creativity to create a good looking character regardless of a generator or not.

"Lack the creativity"? Sorry, but I believe everyone is able to make a decent character just by trying out different combinations of generator parts. The creativity you need for the character behind the graphic not for the sprite representing it.

Some people may be looking for a sage type figure, why should they be unable to download a sage looking figure because the person who made it used a generator.

Again, because the can make it themselves fairly easily. Rather than doing everything for everyone I would encourage people to experiment and try out the various possibilities they have. If you talk about creativity, why limiting people in theirs? Give them the parts and let it do themselves; don't do everything for them - that takes away from the experience.

A user want's to make a black and white game, however lacks the funds or resources to use a photo editing software. Now, they cannot because there isn't a black and white version of a template.

Said user might then make a thread in the resource request section and ask for assistance. Surely that's easier for those rare cases.

Let's say a 15 year old is using their parents computer. They've been asking for RMMV for a while, and they finally bought it for them. They also authorized use of downloads from this site as it has https, however, they refuse to download GIMP or buy Photoshop. Because GIMP has a past of having adware on it, and photoshop is out of their budget.

First off, I said "artistic capabilities". Not financial ones, not general ones. Artistic. Second, what stops people, especially in an exceptional case like this (I mean, let's be realistic here, the chance for a situation like this is very, very small) from asking for help stating their situation and telling everyone why the can't do it themselves. I'm sure there's always someone who's willing to help them. My point is that, for exceptional cases in which those simple edits are actually needed, it would make more sense to respond to a request rather than allowing everything for every single case into stock.

MV is the first RPG Maker where you have to actually buy the program to download the resources (for most parts, at least), so that's why I don't want anything too close to the default uploaded.

And @Xyphien you have yet failed to acknowledge the "legal issues" if you want to call them that. Do we really want to get in trouble for effectively making the default resources available? I know there is a general rule that if you change enough it's okay but simple removing colour, changing the hue or contrast doesn't go far enough. I mean, if someone were to take one of my songs and simple change the key, I would go against that, too. And licensing is a thing we have to consider here, too.

 

[LTN Games]

Wow, I did not expect this much opposition to this resource rule, I mean if it comes down to it we can allow the simple edits but when it comes to generator resources, I'm pretty sure legally it's not even allowed, when it comes to simple edits, yes I do believe it is legal but it's a fine line, very fine lol. Either way here is a bit of info from the terms for MV.

Article 2: Handling of Company Assets
The User shall handle the Company Assets recorded in the Software as follows.
1. Company Assets shall be used solely for User Games created with the Software.
2. Modification of Company Assets (changes in color, size, orientation, trimming, etc.) shall be solely for the purpose of use in User Games created with the Software.

3. Company Assets and Company Assets modified in accordance with the previous Paragraph shall be distributed, etc. with the User Game created with the Software. Furthermore, the distribution, etc. of Company Assets and modified Company Assets shall be permitted only when they are distributed, etc. with the User Game created with the Software. Company Assets and modified Company Assets may not be distributed, etc. independently, and they may not be combined with programs, etc. other than the User Game. However, the User may, without compensation, reproduce, transfer, publically broadcast, or make transmittable any Company Assets they modified themselves to another Licensed User.

This bit of terms is the reason why they're not allowed to be shared on the publishers site and why I think we should practice this as well. The publisher site does not allow character generator sheets to be shared, and I don't believe it's because anyone can do it but because of the terms above. Either way don't understand all the fuss about this simple edits rule, I personally don't think we will get bombarded with simple edits, but of ee start allowing them 1 by 1, others may think they can do the same thing throw there name in the credits and bam we have 100 of the same resource by different people, I only see problem after problem with this.